WERE YOU EVER, HAVE YOU BEEN, IF NOT, WHY NOT….

December 26, 2006

Hey, What up!

Are you saved? And if so, how were you saved?

Have you been born again? Okay then, How were you born again?

Have you been baptized, and if so, in what name were you baptized in?

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11 Responses to “WERE YOU EVER, HAVE YOU BEEN, IF NOT, WHY NOT….”

  1. chazper said

    Saved from what?
    Yes I was reborn… How? too long to tell… maybe sometimes 🙂
    Baptized? Yes… In the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

  2. Johnnie said

    Chazper;

    Thank you for your comment…

    From What? From your sins my friend…

    How? Meaning, How were you born again…

    The bible says a man/woman must be born again or they cannot even see the kingdom of heaven…John 3:3-5

    This is a commandment from Jesus Christ him self:

    Joh 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
    Joh 3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother’s womb, and be born?
    Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
    Joh 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
    Joh 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

    Okay, you say you were born in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, well,my friend, then you just got wet, you were not baptized like Jesus said to be, let me explain:

    Let’s look in the book of:

    Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

    Notice here, Jesus said to be baptized in the name, not names…Okay, you have to ask yourself, Who is the Father? Who is the Son? Who is the Holy Ghost? The answer is “Jesus Christ”….

    The Father, the Son, the Holy Ghost are merely titles of the one true God, Jesus Christ, it is who He is…Now, let’s go a little farther…

    In the book of:

    Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

    This scripture clearly states what name a man must be saved by…Jesus Christ is our only salvation, Jesus Christ is the corner stone, the Rock of all ages, Jesus Christ is a solid foundation….

    What is you plan of salvation?

    I will show you what the bible says, what the word of God says, in the book of:

    Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
    Act 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

    The First step: Believe

    The second Step: Repentance

    The Third Step: Baptize

    Fourth Step: Receive the gift of the Holy Ghost

    There is no other salvation, only in the name of our heavenly Father, Jesus Christ can we be saved…

    I pray that this has answered your question…It is not my word, but the word of God that commands us to be born again….

  3. Jay-r cute este Cruz said

    poor “truthbear” (allegedly) you have already been bombarded in esoriano.wordpress.com,

    you said

    “This Blog Is About Jesus Christ, It Is Also about Exposing False Preachers, False Teachers, False Prophets,And False Doctrine…”

    unfortunately, i think you are one of them. come on, prove in esoriano that God is really everywhere biblically not basing in your discomposed mind. come on.

  4. Jay-r cute este Cruz said


    Johnnie Roll wrote:

    JAY;

    First off, I would like to thank you for your comment…As you can see, I haven’t written a blog in a while because I have been busy…

    I will address some of the false preachers, false prophets, false teachers, and false doctrine of the word of God, with the word of God….

    Question:

    Have you ever read the bible?

    Do you believe that the bible is the inspired written word of God?

    According unto the word of God, God is omnipresent….Read, Psalm 139:7-13

    Oh Jay, don’t feel sorry for me, I am saved, I am sanctified….No, I am not perfect, but I am forgiven…..

    Truthbear

    My Reply>>>>how foolish you are interpreting the bible like that… you are being misguided by that spirit that is guiding you

    on the very first verse that you sited it was written

    Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence?

    now the question is:
    which presence will you be unable to flee? is it God or His spirit?

    btw, you said that you are addressing your blog to false preachers… do you know that God also wants us to test every spirit whether they be of God or not? as stated in I John 4:1,

    Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
    I John 4:1

    now do you agree that we must try/test the spirits? well that includes YOU… if you are really not a false prophet, then you must agree that i must test you to confirm whether you are false prophet or not, right?

    now do you agree in this verse?

    “Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.”

    please reply to me regarding the this last question. i will ask another question if you reply the next time i logged in… God willing.

    now regarding those questions

    1. yes i have read the bible, but not all of the pages honestly

    2. of course

    3. i’ve answered this above

    4.you are saved? although its not a question, but your claim is quite questionable. in where/what manner you are saved? plus, how can you be saved if your interpretation regarding God, Holy Ghost and Christ name is wrong? i think you really dont know what and where will people must be saved and how will they found out if they are already saved…

  5. Johnnie said

    Jay;

    God is a Spirit:

    (1) John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth…

    (2) Obviously you do not understand have you been saved means..So your probably not….

    (3) Do you know the plan of salvation and understand?

    (4) The Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost are not separate beings, there is no trinity, only one, and that my friend is JESUS CHRIST….
    **Read John 1:1,14 1 Timothy 3:16 John 10:30**
    Just to name a few scriptures of the oneness of God…

    Question: What is the only name under heaven in which we can be saved by?

    (5) I never claimed to be a prophet…However, if it pleases you to try my spirit, then by all means do…I walk in God’s spirit…

    ***Also read John 3:3-7 Jesus Christ explains unto Nicodemus what he must do in order to enter into the kingdom of heaven….

    Your Question unto me: Do I agree?

    “Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.”

    The workers of iniquity (wicked)is like God explained in the the book of:

    John 1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not…

    The wicked is Darkness and the purified is light, The darkness cannot comprehend the light, therefore, the darkness cannot understand, but the light can understand….

    Please continue….

    Humbly Yours;
    Truthbear

  6. Jay-r cute este Cruz said

    hahaha poor jony.. exposing the false prophets while preventing to expose himself.

    God is a spirit that’s right. but is the spirit of God different to God which is a spirit? of course

    now joni said

    The Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost are not separate beings, there is no trinity, only one, and that my friend is JESUS CHRIST….

    **Read John 1:1,14 1 Timothy 3:16 John 10:30**

    lets first read what john said in 1:1 lets EXPOSE the deceit of joni:

    In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

    if you could analize, the verse said the Word was with God, meaning, the Word is separate from God. it didnt say “the word was also the God”

    now, he said: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost are not separate beings,

    this is unbiblical. what is biblical is:

    Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him. But John forbade him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfill all righteousness. Then he suffered him. And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

    just in these verses are sufficient to object the deceit of joni and his church that God, Jesus and the Holy Ghost are not separate beings… as you can see, Jesus was in the river, the Spirit was decending (meaning it did not came from the river) and a voice from heaven (certainly it was God) saying , This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

    now he used the 1 timothy 3:16 of KJV probably, but unfortunately, the God that was referred there is Christ which is a separate being to God which is the Father… to add info…

    Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

    John 14:28

    now joni also used the verse John 10:30 lets see how he and his colleagues mislead people

    using this verse (well this site is somewhat fit to expose false prophets especially “truthbear?”):

    I and my Father are one.

    the verse never say that “I am also the Father” but rather “I and my Father are one.” now lets settle this… why did Jesus Christ said this as it was? lets give another verse example, and let us try to apply the illogical conclusion of untruth bear:

    And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

    now if we apply the illogical conclusion of jonhy, it will appear base on this verse that everyone that God keep through His name will be somewhat became one and not separate beings (they will be fused into one being as jony’s conclusion will appear)… but it is not like that… in what manner does people can be one if they were kept by God through His name? lets cite a verse:

    There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism ,

    One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

    the next time i logged in, i will tell mr johni about the mislead belief he is certainly believing in John 3:3-7

    now regarding what Johny said:

    … I never claimed to be a prophet…However, if it pleases you to try my spirit, then by all means do…I walk in God’s spirit…

    …Your Question unto me: Do I agree?

    “Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.”

    The workers of iniquity (wicked)is like God explained in the the book of:

    John 1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not…

    The wicked is Darkness and the purified is light, The darkness cannot comprehend the light, therefore, the darkness cannot understand, but the light can understand….

    Please continue….

    Humbly Yours;
    Truthbear

    okay, he accept my challenge:

    according to revelations 12:1
    And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:

    now, you must prove to me that you and your church (co)ministers are not wicked that will NEVER understand… the question is… who is that woman? what is the meaning of the moon under her feet? and what is the meaning of the crown? if you answered correctly then i will believe that you are not another mislead person

  7. Jay-r cute este Cruz said

    i jst read your reply, but unfortunately your another “wicked” person i met. you said that the woman in rev 12:1 is the Israel, or Jerusalem as its centre as in the purpose of God

    although i can object you already regarding this i will first make sure that im getting your reply correctly, so i will add some questions and will re-ask the question that you didnt answer

    1. what is the moon in her feet?
    2. who was the child the she gave birth?
    3. what are the crowns?
    4. you also said “She is clothed with supreme authority, invested with the glory of perfect administration in man, and all the original reflected glory of this under the old covenant, under her feet.” >>>> do you mean this woman refers (or rather, clothed with old covenant) to the old covenant?

    by the time i will uphold my revelations regarding this. you are 100% mislead, i hope you consult brother eli regarding that woman, but dont worry next time i will reveal some of it.

    i also read your wrong explanations regarding who is God, Son, and Holy Ghost… and you answered “Jesus Christ”

    God (Father)is not Jesus Christ. you see the word Christ means anointed, so if God(Father)is anointed, who anointed Him? you? of course not. but johny said he was Christ so jony anointed the Father without biblical basis. but let me set this clear,i believe that Christ is not a man but God but He is not the Father. I also realized that you evaded some of my arguments like Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. but notice that he didnt paid attention to the Word was with God

    in John 1:1 the verse implies of two Gods

    1. the Word that was God
    2. the God that was with the Word (which is God, but the Word is not the Father)… you cannot be with another being if you are not separate being.

    now regarding what you said I will be adding more so that you may see and understand that there is only one God and his name is Jesus Christ, not two, not three, as you suppose….Your doctrine is in error….

    poor litle bear, the verse said

    Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

    the verse did not say BY the name but used IN THE NAME because it denotes a place. fool. there is a place that the name of the Father Son and Holy Ghost is… but i will never tell you because im sure you are not IN that place.

    you also used “Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.”

    if Jesus is also the God (Father) then who gave Him all the power? you? of course not. it was the Father because the Father already have all those power, only, He gave it to Christ that particular time because Father is not Christ.

    you also used:

    “Mat 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”

    do your church taught every of your member to observe all things Christ have commanded? if so do you follow this commandment:

    Salute one another with a holy kiss. The churches of Christ salute you.
    The Romans 16:16

    if not, then you also another self proclaimed christian

    if yes, then how do you do the holy kiss? what is the meaning of holy kiss? what is the significance of holy kiss?

    i will answer other of your mislead arguments the next time i logged in God willing.its already 2 am here

  8. Jay-r cute este Cruz said

    oh btw, before i log out, i believe that you also a believer of once saved always save, so may i invite you to join the forum again

    http://esoriano.wordpress.com/edebate-5/

  9. Jay-r cute este Cruz said

    now you are totally mislead… you even misinterpreted what i said i believe that you also a believer of once saved always save, so may i invite you to join the forum again
    http://esoriano.wordpress.com/edebate-5/

    joni replied:
    Jay;
    Once again, you do err when it comes to the gospel of Christ….
    Show me in the bible where it says that once we are saved, we are always saved…I will tell you, it doesn’t say, therefore, if God didn’t say it and it is not in the bible, well friend, it is not of God,(Jesus Christ)….
    Also, if we were once saved, always saved, if we didn’t have to do anything else to be saved, Why then were the books, Romans, through the book of Revelations written then?
    Why did the Lord speak against living a sinful lifestyle?
    Are you without sin?
    Once saved, always saved is a lie from hell, it is a man made doctrine….
    Humbly;
    Truthbear

    he thought that i am a believer of once saved always save… you know, my statement is more understandable than the bible, but still joni is having err in understanding my statement, maybe he cannot talk back anymore… especially the woman in rev. 12:1 and romans 16:16, he cannot admit that he really dont understand it, becuase he agreed to the bible that NONE OF THE WICKED SHALL UNDERSTAND yet i was the one prooving that he is one of those who doesnt understand… now let me tell you that i am not a once save always save believer, i was just inviting you to join the forum, it was a debate for those once save always save believers and i do believe that you are one of those but when you replied and mistakenly thought that i am one of the believers of once save always save, i then confirmed that you are not a beliver of once save alwasy save and i do apology for that… anyway, let me answer every argument and misinterpretations you applied in the verses you have given… i said EVERY ARGUMENT becasue i realize that you are very selective in answering the bible’s point of view regarding your belief…
    joni said:
    Jay;
    Thank you again for your comment…
    Let me start off by saying that I do not believe that your interested in the truth and that is, “THE GOSPEL OF CHRIST”, there is no other truth on earth or the heavens…However, if you are interested in knowing who God is, and who Jesus Christ is, I will show you with the word of God
    Why are people like you wanting to separate the one and only God, “Jesus Christ” ?
    1) Who is the Father?
    2) Who is the Son?
    3) Who is the Holy Ghost?
    The answer is, Jesus Christ….
    And before I go any further, I have nothing to prove to you or any man/woman…The word of God is all I need, God’s word is sharper than any two-edged sword…
    Did or did not God come to earth and manifest him self in the flesh?
    Like I have said before, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost are merely titles of the one true God, Jesus Christ…You my friend do not understand the scriptures and what God is telling His people….Trinity is man made doctrine, the bible does not speak of a triune God….
    Let’s look at Matthew 28:18-20
    Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
    Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
    Mat 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
    1) All power is given to Jesus Christ on earth as well as heaven…
    2) You will notice that Jesus Christ said to baptize in the name, “not names”, therefore, there can only be one….Some would have you believe in three co-equals, but that is not what the scripture says….
    Okay, if God is spirit as I have said, then there cannot possibly be two…God is God (Spirit)….
    Okay, let’s get started, now, I will tell you, this is rather lengthy, so have patience….
    Exodus:
    Exo 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
    Dueteronomy:
    Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
    Jesus declared, that this was, “the first of all commandments”, (Mark 12:29)
    Jesus further endorsed this concept in His conversation with a Samaritan woman…
    Joh 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
    All of the Old Testament writers were oneness and had no concept of a trinity of persons in the Godhead.. They were looking for their one God to manifest himself in the flesh and be their Messiah…
    Isa 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
    This was confirmed in Matthew:
    Mat 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
    The New Testament writers, most of them being Jews, had this same concept and expressed no thought of introducing a dramatic new revelation of a plurality in God… The Old Testament teaches that God was coming in the flesh, and the New Testament teaches that God came in the flesh…
    Isa 12:2 Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation.
    Isa 12:3 Therefore with joy shall ye draw water out of the wells of salvation.
    The Hebrew for the word salvation in this text is,”Yeshuah”…Scholars tell us that the word Yeshuah is better rendered in the English as Jesus…
    Let’s read it again and insert the word Jesus…
    Isa 12:2 Behold, God is myJesus; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength and my song; he also is become my Jesus.
    Isa 12:3 Therefore with joy shall ye draw water out of the wells of Jesus.
    The God of the Old Tesament became the God of the New Tesament….
    WHAT IS GOD?
    Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
    1Ti 1:17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen.
    1Ti 6:15 Which in his times he shall show, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
    1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto;
    God is an eternal, immortal, invisible Spirit that dwells in light….
    WHAT IS JESUS CHRIST?
    He is the visible body that the one supreme, invisible Spirit prepared for Himself to dwell in and He lived among us…
    Heb 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
    Eph 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
    Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
    Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
    There is one eternal Spirit known to us as the Father that dwelt in a body known to us as Jesus Christ…
    JESUS WAS THE VISIBLE IMAGE OF THE INVISIBLE GOD….
    Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
    Joh 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
    1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honor and power everlasting. Amen.
    Joh 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
    Joh 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
    Joh 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
    Joh 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
    The only way we will ever see the Father is to look into the face of Jesus Christ….
    As I have said before;
    Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one.
    The Spirit and the body are one! Therefore we can say, the Son is the Father and the Father is the Son…
    Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
    The Son was the everlasting Father manifest in the flesh, Emanuel, God with us….
    1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
    The Almighty God was incarnate (made himself a body)
    Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
    God the Father (Spirit) dwelt in the Son (body) and was Emanuel, the Almighty God with us…
    2Co 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
    Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.
    Again, you do not understand what the word of God is saying:
    Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
    Call me crazy, but it looks to me like it says, and the Word was God…. Therefore, there are not two separate beings as you suppose….
    I will be adding more so that you may see and understand that there is only one God and his name is Jesus Christ, not two, not three, as you suppose….Your doctrine is in error….
    Humbly Yours;
    Truthbear

    my replies with God’s help
    1.regarding Why are people like you wanting to separate the one and only God, “Jesus Christ” ?
    1) Who is the Father?
    2) Who is the Son?
    3) Who is the Holy Ghost?
    The answer is, Jesus Christ….

    very mislead… many people might be a candidate of damnation through this misinterpretation…
    1. the Father is the Almighty God
    And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.
    Genesis 17:1

    2. Jesus is NOT the Almighty God because somebody is Higher than Him…this is one of the verse joni never answered back for he cant reconcile his mislead belief in this verse.
    Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
    John 14:28

    3. The Holy Ghost is NOT the Father…
    Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him. But John forbade him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfill all righteousness. Then he suffered him. And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
    as the highlighted part says: he saw (that “he” is Jesus) so in this verse, you will never be deceived by joni that Jesus is not separate being to the Holy Ghost because how come Jesus, which was in the river that time and saw the Holy Ghost during that time DESCENDING. you know that you can never descend from heaven if you are in the river at the same time considering that “they are not separate being”.
    now joni asked: Did or did not God come to earth and manifest him self in the flesh?

    well i do believe but that God isnt referring to the Father but to Jesus Christ because God does not go transmutation while Jesus became flesh.
    Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
    James 1:17

    And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth; we have beheld his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father.
    John 1:14 revised standard

    joni said: Like I have said before, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost are merely titles of the one true God, Jesus Christ
    what verse? that those are merely titles of one true God? you really are being misguided by that spirit that is guiding you… you see “titles” in the bible have meanings that is connected or related to the one being entitled for… for example, God’s name is Jealous… why? becuase that is His characteristic, He is really Jealous. now you said God (pertaining to the Father) is Jesus Christ. HUH! are you hungry? the word Christ means “anointed” so if the Father is anointed then who in this universe can “anoint” the Father? the fact that the Son’s name is Jesus Christ because somebody or someone is higher than Him and can “anoint” Him without a doubt.
    The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised ,
    Luke 4:18

    as you can see, Jesus was sent by the Father so if Jesus is “sent” therefore he can never be a “not separate being” to the Father, because the one who sent Him is greater than the one being sent.
    Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him.
    John 13:16

    now joni said:
    1) All power is given to Jesus Christ on earth as well as heaven…
    2) You will notice that Jesus Christ said to baptize in the name, “not names”, therefore, there can only be one….Some would have you believe in three co-equals, but that is not what the scripture says….

    the first question was answered during my previous post… the second question he said “not names” like i said the verse used the phrase “IN the name” not “by the name/s” because the verse implies a place where that name is in there, only joni havent find that place yet.
    now joni said: Okay, if God is spirit as I have said, then there cannot possibly be two…God is God (Spirit)….
    Okay, let’s get started, now, I will tell you, this is rather lengthy, so have patience….
    Exodus:
    Exo 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

    well a misinterpreted mind will surely ask misinterpretely. joni concluded that is God is spirit therefore the Spirit of God is also the Father… therefore just for the sake of argument, if joni saw a turtle swimming and he saw his son swimming he will therefore conclude that his son is also a turtle due to the swimming ability of both his son and the turtle. and that is surely absurd. not because God is spirit you will also conclude that the spirit of God is also God… remember there are many spirits…
    And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.
    Revelation 3:1

    well, if we are going to apply joni’s mislead interpretation of the bible, he will surely conclude that the seven spirits is also God Himself, due to their the same entity “spirits”
    joni also used: Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

    remember that in this verse, the spreker was talking to the Israelites, the Israelites never knew about Jesus Christ that time. they only belief to the Father so it was not wrong if they say that the Lord (which is the Father that they believed) is one Lord.
    joni also used: And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
    Mark 12:29

    remember that the verse never said that God is not separate being to Jesus Christ… in fact, Jesus Christ also said OUR God! meaning the Israelites God is also Jesus Christ’s God. Jesus did not say “The Lord your God is one Lord and that is me”, but He said he Lord our God is one Lord:
    joni also used: John 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
    jonni is just saying things but never analyses the verse he is using. as i highlighted, Jesus Himiself said “we worship”, if the Father is not separate bing to Jesus Christ, how come the Father is worshipping Himself? your belief is really insane, the word “err” is not enough to describe the misconclusions of your group.
    joni also said: All of the Old Testament writers were oneness and had no concept of a trinity of persons in the Godhead.. They were looking for their one God to manifest himself in the flesh and be their Messiah…
    Isa 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
    This was confirmed in Matthew:
    Mat 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

    there is no dispute regarding this, Jesus is God but Jesus is not the Father as joni still pushes. there are so many gods, so is there a contradiction if i say God the father is not Jesus Christ because Jesus is the Son of God. the Son of God definitely is not the Father.
    now joni said also: The New Testament writers, most of them being Jews, had this same concept and expressed no thought of introducing a dramatic new revelation of a plurality in God… The Old Testament teaches that God was coming in the flesh, and the New Testament teaches that God came in the flesh…
    Isa 12:2 Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation.
    Isa 12:3 Therefore with joy shall ye draw water out of the wells of salvation.
    The Hebrew for the word salvation in this text is,”Yeshuah”…Scholars tell us that the word Yeshuah is better rendered in the English as Jesus…
    Let’s read it again and insert the word Jesus…
    Isa 12:2 Behold, God is myJesus; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength and my song; he also is become my Jesus.
    Isa 12:3 Therefore with joy shall ye draw water out of the wells of Jesus.

    well joni blatantly replaced every salvation word into “Jesus”. if we are going to follow his senseless misinterpretation copied from some scholars, the word “Satan” means enemy/adversary, therefore, joni will also replace every enemy/adversary words into satan and will surely be confusing to the scriptures like
    But if thou shalt indeed obey his voice, and do all that I speak; then I will be an enemy unto thine enemies, and an adversary unto thine adversaries.
    Exodus 23:22

    the verse will surely go like this in jony version of the scripture
    But if thou shalt indeed obey his voice, and do all that I speak; then I will be a satan unto thine satans, and a satan unto thine satans.
    Exodus 23:22
    and another one hellish misinterpretation of jony roll.

    now johny had another gimmick, he said:
    WHAT IS GOD?
    Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
    1Ti 1:17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen.
    1Ti 6:15 Which in his times he shall show, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
    1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto;

    yes that true, but i am very sory to say that jony is narrow headed, because he thought that all God share the same characteristics as stated in John 4:24. remember the verse never said God is THE spirit but rather “God is A spirit” he just paid attention to the word “is”, very uncritical analysis
    regarding 1 timothy 1:17, just a good glance of the verse, you will never conclude that this verse also pertains to Jesus, as it is stated, Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen.
    I Timothy 1:17
    King James Version

    the verse do pertain to the Father but it was never meant to the Son because the Son died in the cross about 33 years after he was manifested in flesh.

    joni also used:
    1Ti 6:15 Which in his times he shall show, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
    1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto;


    you see joni was reading the bible out of context numerously… the verses said “Which in his times he (pertaining to Jesus) shall show, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
    1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto;

    the verse absolutely means Jesus in His times shall show, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; etc… that pertains to the Father… Jesus Christ shalll show most of the things (if we may call it “things”) about the Father…
    joni said: God is an eternal, immortal, invisible Spirit that dwells in light….
    like i said, not all god share the same characteristics like these, only the Father has all these charactersitics.
    joni said: WHAT IS JESUS CHRIST?
    He is the visible body that the one supreme, invisible Spirit prepared for Himself to dwell in and He lived among us…
    Heb 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

    now he really is very unbiblical. does Heb 10:5 said “prepared for Himself”? never. the verse said and will surely confirm that Jesus Christ is a separate being to the Supreme being, is…
    …but a body hast thou prepared me:
    the verse said “thou” or “you”. meaning God is the one preparing and Jesus is the one receiving the body that has prepared by God
    now joni also used:
    Eph 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
    Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
    Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

    you are being denied by the very verses that you are citing… the verses said “…one Spirit…one Lord… one God and Father of all”
    the verses did not say “one spirit which is also the one Lord which is also the one God and Father of all…”. the verse surely implies that these three are separate from each other.
    so what joni concluded There is one eternal Spirit known to us as the Father that dwelt in a body known to us as Jesus Christ…
    is definitely misleading.

    now joni also said: JESUS WAS THE VISIBLE IMAGE OF THE INVISIBLE GOD….
    Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

    blatantly adding the word “visible” in his misinterpretation. there is no word visible in the verse but he concluded it with the word visible. the word is “image” not visible image. but he didnt paid attention to the next phrase, THE FIRSTBORN of every creature. there is no verse in the bible that says that the Father is the firstborn or the Father was born in any manner. the verse regarding the image of the invisible God pertains to Jesus Christ and not to the Father. so Jesus is surely separate being to God

    regarding what joni said: “Joh 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

    as you can see, Jesus is IN the bosom of the Father and the verse did not say that Jesus is the same being as of the Father. Jesus is in the bosom of the Father but there is a verse that says He begotten/brought forth Jesus.

    joni cited again: 1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honor and power everlasting. Amen.

    this verse doesnt pertain to the Son but to the Father. the Father is surely not the Son. but according to what joni implies, the one pertaining in that verse was Jesus. which is blatantly misleading.

    now joni then used this verse: Joh 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

    the verse never said “if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also because i am also the Father” but just a critical analysis regarding the verse you will never believe that Jesus is the Father. the verse said “… ye should have known my Father”. Jesus Christ used “MY” because He is not His Father.

    joni also used:
    Joh 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

    Joh 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

    now mis wrongfully interpreted these verses as Jesus is the Father because if you see Christ, you also have seen the Father… i will give another verse, see if joni’s misinterpretation can be applied here

    He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me.
    Luke 10:16

    if we are going to apply what joni is concluding it will mean that if i hear the apostles then the apostles is also Jesus because if we hear the apostles we also hear Jesus Christ, but it is not so… the fact that the apostles preaching is from Jesus, it is tantamaount that we are listening to Jesus eventhough He is not physically present there. so if i see Jesus Christ, it is tantamaount that i see the Father for the Father is IN Jesus Christ

    Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works’ sake.
    John 14:11

    now joni said: The only way we will ever see the Father is to look into the face of Jesus Christ….

    another misinterpretation, he already used the verse but still he didnt get the thought. is there a verse that says we look into the face of Jesus Christ? how can you see God through seeing Jesus? is that because Jesus is not separate being to the Father? of course not. the answer is in the bible,

    As for me, I will behold thy face in righteousness: I shall be satisfied, when I awake, with thy likeness.

    now joni again used the verse which i already explained but still havent penetrated to joni’s mind, maybe because I Corinthians 4:4 is happening to himself: As I have said before;

    Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one.

    the verse never tell that “I am also the Father” but Jesus used a connector “and”. He even used the verb to be “are” pertaining to plurailty. like i cited:

    And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

    now if we apply the illogical conclusion of jonhy, it will appear base on this verse that everyone that God keep through His name will be somewhat became one and not separate beings.the Christians will be fused into one being as jony’s conclusion will appear. this is one of the verses joni never objected (maybe he was still meditating how to reconcile this to his wrong belief)

    now joni blatantly saidThe Spirit and the body are one! Therefore we can say, the Son is the Father and the Father is the Son…

    Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

    so according to joni, as the Son and the Father are one then the Father is the Son and the Son is the Father. what verse? if Joni saw a cow eating and joni was also eating that time then he will conclude that he is also a cow. if joni saw that star is a heavenly body and brad pitt is a star, he will definitely conclude that brad pitt is a heavenly body. this is really blatant. this is really deceiving. joni’s philosophy can lead somebody to damnation if they will nnot analyse what joni had said. i am very thankful to God that i encountered this person and atleast prevent a soul from eternal damnation.

    now regarding Isaiah 9:6, the verse do not pertain to the Father which was the Almighty. it pertains to Jesus. but the verse said His name shall be called The mighty God, The everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace. the verse never said that the child will be the ALMIGHTY God but rather The mighty God. there is no dispute, Jesus is The Mighty God but He is not the Almighty because the Father is GREATER than Him. the verse also said that His name shall be called The everlasting Father, but never said the “Father of all” as stated in:

    One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
    Ephesians 4:6

    now how could Jesus became The everlasting Father? because He has children. it was stated in John 21:5

    Then Jesus saith unto them, Children, have ye any meat? They answered him, No.
    John 21:5

    now joni again made a critical mistake by concluding all this: The Son was the everlasting Father manifest in the flesh, Emanuel, God with us….

    1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

    as you can see, joni really reads the bible out of context. he didnot realize that in the verse, there was “JUSTIFIED in the spirit” if Jesus really is the Father, then who justified this everlasting Father(maybe joni did >.<), and if Jesus is the Father Almighty, then who received Him in heaven? like i said the God in the verse is referring to Jesus not to the Father because the Father never transmutated Himself especially to become flesh.

    now joni used: The Almighty God was incarnate (made himself a body)

    Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

    to be more precise,i will use the revised standard version of revelation 1:8
    ” I am the Alpha and the Omega, ” says the Lord God, who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.
    Revelation 1:8
    Revised Standard Version

    the Lord God is the original speaker in this verse not Jesus Christ. so Jesus is not the one pertaining to the word “Almighty” in revelation 1:8.

    another blatant claim joni conclude (its like a leaning tower, the foundation is a fault therefore, expect that all of the following iinterpretations will be wrong):

    God the Father (Spirit) dwelt in the Son (body) and was Emanuel, the Almighty God with us…

    2Co 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

    Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.

    first, he errouneuosly and blatantly said “the Almighty God with us…” what verse is this? the bible prohibits us to add a word to His words yet just to push his misleading belief, joni crossed this prohibition and claimed that the word Emmanuel is “Almighty God with us”. next, he said: God the Father (Spirit) dwelt in the Son (body) in what manner do God dwell to Jesus? is it by Himself going through Jesus Christ and leaving His throne in heaven? no. according to the bible

    And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
    I John 3:24

    is it by the Spirit that God gave that God can dwell among us but it doesnt mean He Himself will be inside us. it was His Spirit which Joni still pushes that it was not a separate being to the Father.

    now he intentionally ignored what col 2:9 said the verse said: For in him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.

    it was the fullness of Godhead not “God the Father(Spirit) as joni said.

    now Joni again said the same verse but still ignored some of the statement. he was just selective of the statement that he will use, and ignore the other statement that might crucified his wrong and deceitful belief:

    Again, you do not understand what the word of God is saying:

    Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

    Call me crazy, but it looks to me like it says, and the Word was God…. Therefore, there are not two separate beings as you suppose….

    I will be adding more so that you may see and understand that there is only one God and his name is Jesus Christ, not two, not three, as you suppose….Your doctrine is in error….

    Humbly Yours;
    Truthbear

    he still ignored he phrase “the Word was WITH God”. i dont object that the Word was God but what am i trying to explain in which joni dont accept because of ” For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.”
    The Romans 10:3
    , is that Word that was God is a separate being to the Father because the Word was
    with God in the beginning. Note: he never and will never be able to gainsay what the bible stated in acts 7:55

    But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up steadfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God ,
    The Acts 7:55

    if Jesus and the Father is not separate, how can the Father standing in His own right hand? very simple yet very hard to penetrate in a mislead, deceitful and blatant exposer that prevents to expose himself like you… regarding your promis that you will be adding more, i am sure it is another blatant mistake

    now he then sent another set of questions

    Jay;

    If you truly understood the bible as you suppose, then you would know that Jesus Christ was fully Spirit and fully Man…

    Let me ask you a question….Did or did not God come to earth and manifest himself in the flesh?

    Did or did not a woman whose name was Mary, bare a child, a boy of the name of, Jesus Christ?

    How was she impregnated? It wasn’t her husband….

    Is God able to do all things?

    Is there anything impossible for God to do?

    What you have done, Jay, is put your own belief in with the word of God….

    There is only one truth, just as there is only one God…

    There is one Lord, one Faith, and one Baptism

    I have given you good sound doctrine, which is the word of God, not mine own…And you have rejected it, and if you have rejected the word of God, well then, you have also rejected Jesus Christ, therefore, that would make you an antichrist…..

    1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

    1Jn 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: but he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

    Yours Humbly;

    Truthbear

    answers
    1.the God came to earth isnt the Father but Jesus Christ.
    2.Mary did bear a child but it was not the Father but it was Jesus which in the beginning was the Word and with God and was God… but the Word isnt the Father but with the Father.
    3.no
    4.yes
    5.whoa, you should go in front of the mirror and say those things but please replace my name in to your name. you are one hell of a blatant deceiver
    6. there are many gods, not only one. but there is only one “od and father of all”
    7.what? you have given me sound? the One who gives me sound doctrine is God through Christ… you are just another mislead “alien”(may we call it that way) spirit. because you blatantly concluded that the Father is Jesus and Jesus is the Father. you also concluded that the woman in revelation 12:1 is the israel, how senseless. may i tell you that the woman is in heaven not in earth so that woman is not the israel nor the jews. but still you havent answered my last post, so i cannot tackle that topic to you yet. may be you should search and copy and paste more misinformation from different proitestant sites because im qiute sure it is not your own explainations. or maybe your pastor copied it from different sectors. im quite sure that even you yourself do not understand what you have sent me regarding that woman.

    8. those verses are 100 % applicable to you jony. you are a liar. you said so many blatant misleading doctrine. while being selective in answering back the arguments because if you ask yourself, you cant gainsay the knowledge i acquired through Christ in the Bible.

    remember Joni: …none of the wicked shall understand…

    may God enlighten you and remove satan from your eyes. please stop misleading people because you yourself can be damned: Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.
    Matthew 15:14

  10. chazper said

    too busy to read all of these… 🙂

    all I can say is… watch/search our video debates archives and be on a lookout for your defense mechanism when your belief of “Oneness” is crushed. Have an open mind.

    http://esoriano.wordpress.com/

  11. Sweet blog! I found it while searching on Yahoo News.
    Do you have any suggestions on how to get listed in Yahoo News?

    I’ve been trying for a while but I never seem to get there!
    Thanks

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